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an issue just holding them in awareness

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as is sort of a contemplative exercise

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in a way holding them in awareness

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without judgment and again this goes

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back to sort of the the

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that state where the music improviser

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doesn't really judge

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sort of sort of the flow of normative

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in radical ideas that he he or she just

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sort of engages in that flow and

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embraces that

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it looks like we are

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okay so just really quickly um another

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issue that's come up is um and just

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recently too is there a field of aspect

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of of consciousness and improvised music

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um and improvisers are always talking

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about kind of emerging of

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um individuals um

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i had this whole thing on i'm going sort

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of inside this meditation practice but

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to close uh one of my favorite instances

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of of in great improvising in science

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has to do with um

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this

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episode that uh

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uh regarding the bigfoot and this is a

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valid photograph by the way

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and um

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some there it was being there were some

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footprints that were discovered in the

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mountains in the pacific northwest in a

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anthropologist was called in to

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look at the footprints

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uh grover

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krantz i think is his name and uh so he

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examines the footprints you know and

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they go through the mountains for uh

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five miles this incredibly rugged

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terrain

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and he concludes that you know he came

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in obviously to debunk the whole thing

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and he said either sasquatch is real and

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that is ridiculous

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or

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brilliant

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anatomists designed the fakes which have

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been placed by a secret organization

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like the sse

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and i regard that as impossible so

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the ridiculous alternative would appear

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to be true and to me that's great

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question yes um

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that's a really great question

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yeah the question is are there other

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musical genres in which improvisation is

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important and the fact is actually um if

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you look at most of the music the vast

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majority of music in the world

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improvisation one kind in one form or

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another it's different in blue you

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mentioned bluegrass there's definitely

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improvisational component south indian

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music has um an improvisational

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component not nothing near north indian

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music but if you look at the vast

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majority of music in the world

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improvisation is is a central process

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and we're really the um you know

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european classical music as his practice

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now um is

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is is sort of anomalous in that way so

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it's a

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only we do his improvisation

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and many of you have heard us before

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we also get to the point where we get

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episodes of being good

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as opposed to being just wondering

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and sometimes we even get into what you

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call the sun

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ask ourselves what is it we have to do

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to get into that zone

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we've come up with a number of uh

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prerequisites

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and a couple of them stand out

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one of them is that we all have to be

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able to hear and listen to each other

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and be listening

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another one

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is that we can't have anything anonymous

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we should be trying to make the band

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sound good

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that doesn't mean that you can't take

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solos it just means you have to be

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behind the solo not trying to get out in

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front of it

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and when we have those kinds of

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situations

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we'll get through a number we look at

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each other

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just like we're reversed

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of course it's quite a good rehearsal

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it's just that everything goes on

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and the most important thing is we can

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record one of those zones the time

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play it again

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you know if you look at the literature

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on sort of peak experiences

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from composers

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and then you look at the

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sort of literature i'm glad that this

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person is a musician got us into this uh

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literature on peak experience of

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improvisers you see a really interesting

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difference that came out

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here and that is that

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the composers are talking about

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sort of the

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emergence of

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sometimes complete pieces when you you

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know when you like read about brahms and

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mozart's letters um they're talking

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about providing the like the complete

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compositions coming in you know in an

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instant whereas improvisers are are not

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improvisers are talking about heightened

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interactions between the players they're

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playing so it's like they're playing

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with and this and this sort of thing as

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the like the zone and all that and so

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these are these are two different

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musical world views

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i mean there's a whole thing